Edgar get's me, I've tried to make this clear to everyone multiple times. But for the ignorant people I'll do it in bold: what I do, I do for fun and for myself. And I can have fun in a lot of ways, I can have fun hacking a game. But (while I never actively tried it) I can probably have a lot of fun protecting a game too.

One important thing here is the I part! You probably use/develop Questor for money. I don't really care about money, it brings me no pleasure and it doesn't buy me happiness (omg did he just use an old saying, yes he did!).

I also played EVE long ago (2-3 years) but got bored, I then indeed gave away all my accounts to an ingame friend. Then last year I got the 'need' to play EVE again, only to get bored pretty fast (within a few weeks). I then started writing Questor and had a lot of fun getting to the point where we are now. I must admit that it is slowly losing my interest again.

What does this mean? I will support Questor (for now) and I still have a half-rewritten Questor v2 (the core-rewrite), but I am spending a lot of my free time on Rift at the moment. You might have noticed this with the less frequent updates to Questor.

In the end the only advice I can give you is that if you do not want to get banned, do not use Questor. But this advice then also counts for ISXEVE, etc. The simple reason is that we currently have no clue what CCP will implement and how hard it'll be to circumvent those protections. It is very easy to miss a detection routine if you do not know it exists!

Depending on those implementations, I will either release the source of DirectEVE or continue as-is.

Having read through the source of pysharp and directeve (from early Jan, I burned it in a glorious CD effigy to DT once I understood it, so don't even bother asking) and also conversing a bit with stealthy, manipulating Eve is probably the easiest and most non-detectable MMO like ever. This is going to change if that barely understandable dude at the CCP security presentation has a clue worth his 8 years in security. I do maintain the client side can ALWAYS win with less effort, but the effort (and expertise) is more than has been demonstrated thus far in the eve botting community. DT could do it. I think Stealthy could. Amadeus could and so could CT. But the motive just isn't there. Providing a legit baseline RMT avenue for buying isk has put a deathnkell cap on the upper level of who will stick with this aside from 100% private injection bots.

Them's the breaks folks. My recommendation is to bot the ever loving shit out of quester and any isxeve stuff until ban1. Then liquidate. We'll see from there.

I doubt CCP will ever hire an actual mmo/game-hacker to do their cleanup, but I'd be open for consultancy work :D I think they'd be too scared that I would hack my own protection.

We have no guarantee that the three strikes rule applies to Questor, too.

In the past "client modifications" did net you a permaban on first offense and I don't think CCP intends to change that (what they change is that the option of a GM warning without temp-ban is removed).

AFAIK this was only enforced for Python-injecting bots (presumably because they were often easy to detect for CCP with unhandled exceptions, stacktraces, ...) but in principle Questor is no bit less intrusive than a python-injecting bot.
I guess you can argue that Questor only uses the client and doesn't really modify it (no overloading of existing EVE methods, but strictly speaking hooking into the client already is a modification) - however, I can imagine CCP going either way in this question.

As mission bots have the potential to create some serious upsets within the carebear base CCP might not be inclined to act lenient towards their users.

Everyone has become used to the idea of mining & courier bots and their ISK/hour in high-sec is not that high, high-sec players don't really notice ratting bots and probably enjoy the cheap faction fittings but mission bots are an idea that many EVE players still have to get used to.

Shoutout to Mr. "DR reseacher" - welcome to reality! please note that Questor is not the only bot with mission-running capabilities out there & thx for advertising it on the EVE forums.

Edited by user Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:49:55 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Oh how I love CCP:

(http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1426740&page=74#2198)

I am laughing my ass off here.

FUD ftw. :-) Make one wonder, if they have to rely on that though.

Edited by user Thursday, April 7, 2011 12:20:25 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I think he underestimates me on how well I know eve's inner working and what would fuck up most hackers out there.

Only if you can backup that you competent in the long run. And since CCP just messed up its new forums, they kinda ridicule themselfs here.
Will be exciting how things develop in the near future.

It get better. Seem like 'mister secure' rely on HBGary tools: http://hbgary.anonleaks.ch/greg_hbgary_com/3030h.html
HBGary, in case you didnt hear already, is the smartass company that taunted 'anonymous' and got owned badly after. Read here and here for details.

For the latest forumfuckup from CCP you get a good overview what happend here.

Im not saying, they aint know nothing, but it seem that we get 95% FUD and 5% actual action here.

Well I know Greg (not irl but through MSN-chat) and it's funny if they start helping CCP, since Greg himself has helped me on several occasions with WoWSharp. He then also used a lot of info that I gathered from WoW's Warden without ever giving me credit, but lets not get into that.

As for the forums, funny. I wonder if you can insert javascript into this YAF install too, someone try since I am too lazy ;)
(and why didn't CCP just use a different membership provider for YAF and do it the right way)